JAD: Started with the tongue. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. I'm Sam Kean's dad. On the Radiolab website they define the show as follows: "Radiolab is a show about curiosity. SAM KEAN: And at a time when you're not making the best decisions anyway. So we did stop. I said, "No, no, that's okay." [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. I think I was really horrified and terrified. JAD: In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. I just saw them as child abusers. It might be a mixture. So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. I tell you what I'm going to do though. SAM KEAN: Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. PAT: Could you just tell us what you are doing now? See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. Also, thanks to Carl Zimmer whose latest is Evolution: Making Sense of Life. It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. There was a newspaper called The Daily Express and they have these headlines that come out. Just a little. And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. JAD: That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. Most toads, he says, love to stay in the water. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. [chuckles]. And eventually, over the millenia, what youd get, is a creature with a very long neck. ], You get them $200 each, which they can spend on crack. We'll just get one more.". ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Yeah, lets read.]. It's a small forest area, very beautiful. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. ROBERT: So, somehow, by some chemical mechanism, starving grandpa, back when he was about 9 to 12 years old, turned out to be a good thing. She was totally an oops kid. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser. I'm Sam Kean's dad. I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. He had one remaining midwife toad. And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. OLOV BYGREN: Hi, Olov Bygren. Move on to the next cage yes, no? [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Do you see the owl?]. I'm so proud and I have four years clean. Listen Feb 3, 2023 Ukraine: The Handoff Pregnancy, and choice, in a war. Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. But in the middle of a conversation about how to fight the virus, we find a place impervious to the stalled plans and frenetic demands of the outside world. So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. I mean, he hates water. DESTINY HARRIS: Kick it to him. Well, its offensive. BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. ", BARBARA HARRIS: And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." PEJK MALINOVSKI: And we have a lot more grain here. I wonder how much you believe in it. Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. I mean, the idea that they could be constrained by their DNA, that maybe one of us gave them a bit of DNA thats gonna hold them back? I mean, they didn't have porridge. DESTINY HARRIS: No, she was an oops kid. Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. SAM KEAN: I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. Stick around. Do you know anything about the other four? And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. So much can happen after that. And even though they look basically nothing alike. It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. ROBERT: What a name, you've got to like this guy. Or is it? He is passionate about scholarly writing, World History, and Political sciences. LULU: So far. He actually coined the word biology, too. And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. Edward Condon Session III American Institute of Physics. If . I was just pissed at what they have done to my children. They decided to explore this question. Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. I decided to have a press conference in my front yard to announce what I was doing. Peanut butter, there we go. Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. No, she was an oops kid. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. SAM KEAN: What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. CARL ZIMMER: And in1923, he actually comes to England. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. Knock it right off the DNA. By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. When I started spending some time with Destiny, Barbara's 22-year-old daughter. The critical part of this JAD: Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. More brain cells? ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I didn't say I'm God. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. Then 275 words will cost you $ 10, while 3 hours will cost you $ 50. I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its DESTINY HARRIS: Hi, this is Destiny Harris. A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. Maybe like those methyl things we were telling you about with the rats. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. They present previous theories on evolution and then present the currently accepted Darwinian Theory of Evolution. I mean, I'm married to a Black man. DESTINY HARRIS: I do mean that. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. He was miserable to look at. We neuter them.". LATIF: Oh you said it so much more diplomatically. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. And I didn't find a single case of someone saying that they regretted what they've done. PAT: Did that scare you at all? LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? ROBERT: Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. That's a lot of people. And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: [laughs[ Exactly. ROBERT: Remind me this. OLOV BYGREN: The results are there. It's a guided audio tour through cities where Radiolab Ken Burns and others. JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. ROBERT: That's interesting. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. I should add too. You're eight, sorry. BARBARA HARRIS: Since birth. JAD: Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, JAD: One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. Live shows were first offered in 2008. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. SAM KEAN: And so, they just had to hold on for the entire winter. CARL ZIMMER: He was mighty skeptical. Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. Is that too old?" PAT'S MOM: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. So here's what you're going to notice. Peanut butter, there we go. JAD: If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: You don't think that they should have their children back?]. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. ROBERT: Well, so here's the thing. We'll just be honest. She's 20 months old. I'm in public health. In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. [laughs]. Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. PAT: When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. Because the Soviets, they believe in Karl Marx's idea that human beings were an improvable species, that if you can change the conditions around people, you change the people. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. ROBERT: You cant say that. I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. JAD: Hey, wait. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. I just didn't think. Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. ROBERT: So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. Environmental Biology Radiolab - Inheritance Due to Haiku by Monday March 3rd Name: Dmitry Matveev Date: You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. That was nice. Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. OLOV BYGREN: Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. BARBARA HARRIS: I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. Visit our website. But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. All rights reserved. They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. The lady knew why we were there. You're finishing college, right? I know! Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. Yeah, there you go. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." She should be with me. MICHAEL MEANEY: That activates maternal behavior. He had one remaining midwife toad. JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. A few years later, there'd be a harsh winter. PAT: And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. ROBERT: Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. Life is hard.". Except he had one. PAT: So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. Radiolab 50.3K subscribers Subscribe 29 1.5K views 6 months ago On this episode, the case that pushed one Supreme Court justice to a nervous breakdown, brought a boiling feud to a head, and. ROBERT: Which turn out to be an interesting thing to look at it because the people in verkalix who were farming SAM KEAN: Trying to eke a living out of the soil. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. But it failed. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. You must have internet access to do this). SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. OLOV BYGREN: They didn't have grains. ROBERT: Interestingly, the church has also kept track of the farmers' SAM KEAN: How much they were growing each year. LYNN PALTROW: The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. [chuckles], Yes, yes. How old are your boys right now? When you explore what makes people tick or how the universe . You know what they're going to go do with that money. BARBARA HARRIS: And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. JAD: I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. This is spooky because it's like JAD: It means what if grandpa has a bad day? ROBERT: Just for those years. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. We travel to Ukraine to follow a shipment of abortion pills, and discover a complicated conversation about pregnancy and choice in wartime. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology Yeah, we're exploring questions of lwhat can you pass down to your kids and their kids? JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. It means what if grandpa has a bad day? JAD: Still, that's a burden that, he's carrying a big burden there. Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. Well, so here's the thing. He was mighty skeptical. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed JAD: Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. Can you say oh my goodness? DESTINY HARRIS: Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters DESTINY HARRIS: With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], PAT'S DAD: And Kenny [unintelligible 01:04:18], PAT: Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21]. That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. This is what's called the slow growth period. ", SAM KEAN: "They can respond to the environment.". So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. MICHAEL MEANEY: Known as transcription factors. I wonder how much you believe in it. You've got these toads who hate water. SAM KEAN: If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. But, I said this to Lynn, "Despite all the things that trouble me about Barbara's program, I feel like what she's trying to do is to stop a kid from getting born into a childhood that's going to suck.". ROBERT: And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a co I mean like, with the licking, is it a teaching thing where, you know, the babies become good mothers because FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. You don't think that they should have their children back?]. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? Truth is, we dont know precisely how this happens but somehow the experience of starvation marks the DNA. PAT: Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. This was a really radical place at the time because you have to remember that people studying animals up till now, they were basically studying preserved specimens, and so on. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. But along with the support came attacks, particularly as drug-addicted women began to sign up. BARBARA HARRIS: Yes, she has the same name as me. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. BARBARA HARRIS: They were seven and eight at the time. Are you nine? A little village? Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. So he actually went to Vienna. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Cancer. They told me a bunch of these stories, one of them involving, well DESTINY HARRIS: I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. Sincerely, Jennifer.". Were told. JAD: Stretching got into the baby. BARBARA HARRIS: Aw, you blew him a kiss? 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